Lean Whiskey

Mark Graban and Jamie Flinchbaugh are two guys with a lot in common: Lean, writing books, speaking, consulting… and a love of good whiskey. Like the Car Talk guys, they both went to MIT… but Lean isn’t rocket science. Let’s hope they can hold their liquor because they’re not holding back on sharing their opinions… it’s time for Lean Whiskey… Lean talk with a fun spirit! Mark is certified, with distinction, through the WSET Level 2 Spirits certification. Mark Graban: http://markgraban.com/ Jamie Flinchbaugh: https://jflinch.com/

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Episodes

Friday Jan 19, 2024

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In Episode 44, Mark Graban and Jamie Flinchbaugh get back together for this first episode of 2024. Since we’re not doing Dry January, we go right into the whiskey first by talking about old bottles, including one very old one found at auction. We then did our own comparison tasting, with Jamie trying two different age statements of Knob Creek bourbon and Mark trying two different expressions of Glen Scotia scotch from Campbeltown. 
Dry January is like a New Year’s Resolution that you don’t intend to keep past a month. We discuss New Year’s Resolutions and their reasons for failure. We relate all this to goals, hoshin kanri, SMART goals, systems, and small steps. So, if you’re still working on clarifying your goals or resolutions for the year, take a listen. 
Boeing’s recent troubles with an Alaska Airlines 737 MAX-9 door plug falling out mid-flight was also discussed, including Boeing’s resolution / commitment to add more inspectors to the process. Will more inspectors and more inspections make a difference? If not, what will make a difference? We may not know the final answer, but we break it all down for you in this discussion. 
We wrap things up with a little football talk, both the NFL and College. Cheers! 
Vintage bottle sold at auction, from York, PA
Jamie’s selection: Knob Creek
Mark’s selection: Glen Scotia
NPR on abandoned New Year’s resolutions
Jamie’s 2010 blogpost on goals
Jamie’s 2021 short video on working with goals 
Boeing’s own updates on the 737-9
On Senator Cantwell’s letter to the FAA
Yup, University of Michigan wins the National Championship
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Friday Dec 08, 2023

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In Episode 43 of the “Lean Whiskey” podcast, Jamie Flinchbaugh and Mark Graban begin by talking about each of our interviews regarding the new book by Steve Spear and Gene Kim, Wiring the Winning Organization.
Mark interviewed Steve and Gene for the Lean Blog Interviews podcast, and Jamie interviewed Steve for a forthcoming episode of the People Solve Problems podcast. We then shifted our attention to celebrating 100 years of Suntory Distilling by each pouring different expressions from the Japanese side of the company, Hibiki and Yamazaki. We also discussed the Jim Beam side, its progression and integration into the Suntory ownership. 
We eventually jumped into our primary In the News segment discussing a detailed investigative journalism report from Reuters on the objectively poor safety record at SpaceX. The data is compelling, from a fatality to a coma, and eight amputations. But the safety rate is six times the industry average, coming in at 4.8 per 100 workers. Yes, space travel and doing anything breakthrough is inherently dangerous, but there's two arguments with this. First, the injuries are things like falling out of trucks and not related to launching a rocket. Second, there are numerous examples of doing inherently dangerous work with a great safety record. Alcoa, under the leadership of Paul O'Neill, is a great example of this, where not only is the work done safely, but with increasing profits along the way. 
We explore the importance of leadership — through policy to system to culture — in the outcomes of safety. Elon Musk, as the leader of SpaceX, has signaled in many ways that safety is secondary. This includes a distaste for safety yellow on aesthetic grounds to statements that workers are responsible for protecting themselves. Both SpaceX and Tesla have a tendency to withhold reporting required data to OSHA, which might not be visible to employees, but it likely is to management. We make clear that safety practice and culture is the responsibility of management. 
We wrap up this episode sharing fun facts about our hometowns, wishing everyone a happy holidays, and a final cheers to 2023!
Links From the Show:
Mark interviewed Steve Spear and Gene Kim in episode 493 of the LeanBlog Podcast, and Jamie interviewed Steve for a forthcoming episode of People Solve Problems Podcast on their new book, Wiring the Winning Organization
Celebrating 100 years of Suntory Distilling 
Mark's blog about the culture clash when Suntory acquired Jim Beam
Jamie's selection: Hibiki Japanese Harmony
Mark's selection: Yamazaki Distiller's Reserve NAS Japan Release and the Legent Yamazaki Cask Finish Blend 
Kaizen & Culture Clash Between Suntory & Jim Beam?
Reuters' investigative report on safety at SpaceX
COSH's Dirty Dozen of companies with poor safety records 
Examples of Paul O'Neill's take on prioritizing safety and being profitable here and here
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Friday Oct 20, 2023

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In Episode 42, Jamie Flinchbaugh visits Mark Graban in northern Kentucky and they get to record an episode in person. This was the origin of the podcast series — getting together in person, enjoying whiskey, and talking about Lean stuff. 
In the last episode, we did an experiment that was inconclusive — sometimes that's how it goes. We had moved the whiskey talk to the end of the episode, but since we had no firm evidence that it was better, we moved it back to the beginning.
Since we were together, Jamie selected something from Mark's shelf, the Boone County Amburana Wood, as it isn't something you'd regularly find on the shelf. Mark had received a special package in the mail from the Jim Beam distillery — two different expressions of Little Book — and so he did a side-by-side comparison. 
They then discussed the GE Lean Mindset Event, held for employees, customers, and suppliers. The bulk of the speakers are available on a YouTube playlist.
We primarily discussed the discussion between Jim Farley, CEO of Ford, and Dara Khosrowshahi, CEO of Uber. We also discussed the conversation with Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E (the primary power utility in California if you don't recognize the name). We explored the key nuggets from those speakers. 
After the recording stopped, the conversation continued at the outstanding Prohibition Bourbon Bar in Newport, Kentucky, ranked as one of America's Best Bourbon Bars by The Bourbon Review (that's where the photo was taken… and yes, they allowed us behind the bar).
 
Links From the Show:
Jamie's selection, Amburana Wood finished Bourbon from Boone County
Little Book, the experimental expressions from Freddie Noe of Jim Beam 
The playlist for the GE Lean Mindset Event 
Mark's podcast episode recorded on-site with Jim Womack, Katie Anderson, and Jamie Parker 
California Burning, the book about PG&E mentioned by Patti
Prohibition Bar in Newport, Kentucky, featured in The Bourbon Review
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Friday Aug 25, 2023

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In Episode 41, Mark Graban and Jamie Flinchbaugh try a couple experiments, in the spirit of continuous improvement. You’ll first notice that we moved the whiskey talk to the end. The hypothesis here is that some people don’t want to hear the whiskey talk, so they can just exit the podcast when we finish the lean talk. We also used a different platform for recording, so it may affect your listening or viewing experience. We would really appreciate any feedback at all on these experiments. 
In lean talk, we explore the question of whether lean can and should be forced. We examine this from different angles, including terms like accountability and quotas. We even evoke the words of Dr. Deming in the process. We quote Toyota’s Jamie Bonini who said “if the employees are upset by it, it’s not really TPS.” We explore 5S, audits, incentives, and more. 
We finally get around to talking about the whiskey that we were sipping on during the episode. After all, this is kinda the point. For this episode’s theme, we are pulling the bottle off our shelf that is the least expensive, but still worth sipping on its own. Mark is drinking Benchmark, and Jamie went with Rebel. Cheers! 
Mark’s audiobook of The Mistakes That Make Us is now available 
Tennis’ Western and Southern Open
The Michigan Lean Consortium, where Mark recently presented
Mark’s famous Office 5S video
Jamie’s whiskey… Rebel Bourbon 80 proof at $19
Mark’s whiskey… Benchmark Bourbon 100 proof between $17-19
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Friday Jul 14, 2023

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In Episode 40, Mark Graban and Jamie Flinchbaugh get back together after their in-person visit where they enjoyed the origins of this podcast: talking about lean stuff while enjoying some whiskey. We get to celebrate the launch of Mark’s new book, The Mistakes That Make Us, as well as Jamie’s new podcast titled People Solve Problems. We recap our in-person visit and some of the great whiskey we were able to try. And we taste one of the expressions we were able to try at the distillery, New Riff’s Straight Bottled-in-Bond Malted Rye. 
We then pivoted to talking about pivots, starting with the example of how Instagram originally started as Burbn check-in app to share your drinking experiences with others. It then pivoted to photo sharing, and the rest is history. We compare and contrast other pivots, including Play-Doh, the pacemaker, Slack and Twitter, 3M Post-its, and a purple dye found when trying to cure malaria. We share some lessons from each of our books about how to enable and / or embrace the pivot when the opportunity presents itself. 
We wrap up talking a bit about the book writing process, and the joys and pains that accompany it. Cheers! 
Mark’s book, The Mistakes That Make Us, is now available for purchase
Jamie launched a new podcast, People Solve Problems, interviews based on his book
Mark and Jamie’s analog in-person Lean Whiskey
We visited Revival Vintage Bottle Shop, Prohibition Bourbon Bar, and New Riff Distilling
Mark and Jamie both pouring the New Riff Kentucky Straight Bottled-in-Bond Malted Rye Whiskey
Instagram pivoted from Burbn
Instagram, or Meta, also recently launched Threads. You can find Mark here and Jamie here
Making purple dye from a failed malaria drug 
Hold on Loosely by 38 Special on Spotify 
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Friday May 05, 2023

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In Episode 39, Mark Graban and Jamie Flinchbaugh toast the completion of Mark's new book, The Mistakes That Make Us: Cultivating a Culture of Learning and Innovation (coming soon!).
We also acknowledge Jamie's forthcoming podcast based on the book People Solve Problems. That's already plenty to cover before we even get into our whiskey. 
Our whiskey theme was sourced juice, or essentially whiskey producers that buy whiskey from other distillers. This practice takes many different forms. Jamie is drinking Holla Bourbon Whiskey, a 4 year wheated bourbon, while Mark is drinking The Senator Straight Rye Whiskey sourced from MGP. Holla Spirits is primarily a vodka company with an incredibly wide range of infused vodkas, from jalapeno to pickle to cotton candy. They use higher grade ethanol from either corn or cane.
Our lean topic was CEOs who “go to the gemba,” specifically referencing recent Wall Street Journal articles featuring Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi driving an Uber and Starbucks brand-new CEO Laxman Narasimhan being trained and working as a barista. While there is a lot these articles don't tell you, we have to draw some conclusions about whether these efforts are well-intentioned or not. We didn't like the barista with gold cufflinks or the Uber driver ignoring important calls from his General Counsel. 
We did conclude that there are three dimensions to this practice to get right, and all three must be right for this practice to be worth the effort. First, you have to get the intention correct. Second, you must execute it with the right spirit and curiosity. Third, you have to do the right things with what you learn, not just fixing specific problems but challenging business model assumptions or improving major systems of how the company works.
Links From the Show:
Mark's book page to find out more when The Mistakes That Make Us will be released
Jamie's blog, where you can find the People Solve Problems podcast release
Mark's recent blog post about Glenns Creek Distillery and creativity-before-capital kaizen
NBC News covering sourced whiskey
Whiskey Advocate covering sourced whiskey
Jamie's whiskey from Holla Spirits, a 4-year Wheated Bourbon, distilled by Southern Distilling Company in North Carolina and blended by Cloonaughill Celtic Malts in York, PA
Mark's whiskey, The Senator Straight Rye Whiskey, a 4-grain blend distilled by MGP in Lawrenceburg, IN 
Uber's CEO driving covered by Wall Street Journal as well as Business Insider and Inside Hook 
Starbucks CEO trains and works as a barista, as covered by Wall Street Journal
Jamie's past blog about Undercover Boss, and Mark's past blog about a hospital CEO going undercover 
Mark's recommended podcast is Culture by Design
Jamie's recommended podcast is Stuff You Should Know 
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Friday Jan 20, 2023

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What do you do when you are chosen as Jim Murray’s US Micro Whiskey of the Year? You pop in to join Mark and Jamie on Lean Whiskey to talk about it. At least that’s what our friend David Meier of Glenns Creek Distilling did in Episode 38. While we were able to drink, and celebrate, the success of OCD #5, we also explored David’s continued learning, problem solving, and improvement of whiskey production. We also learned that he was featured on an episode of Moonshiners: American Spirit, more of a documentary exploring the production of American spirits than the original show. 
After David departs, Mark and Jamie discuss a recent report featured on NBC outlining that 1 in 4 hospital visits result in adverse events. This comes from a recent study on patient safety published in the New England Journal of Medicine. We break down the statistics, explore the real meaning behind those numbers, and discuss the causes and contributing factors. Throughout the dialogue we cover process improvement, problem solving, near misses, organizational learning, and psychological safety. We also spend time looking at Dr. Don Berwick’s editorial about the study, and at least try to summarize his contributions to patient safety. 
Mark and Jamie wrap up the first episode of 2023 talking about books. We hope everyone has a wonderful 2023. Happy New Year, and Cheers! 
Glenns Creek Distilling’s OCD #5 selected US Micro Whiskey of the Year
Jim Murray’s Whisky Bible website
Moonshiners: American Spirit
Glenn’s Creek Distilling 
NBC’s reporting that 1 in 4 patients experience adverse effects, and the New England Journal of Medicine published study behind the statistic
Patient safety advocate Don Berwick’s Commentary in the New England Journal of Medicine
Upcoming webinar hosted by Mark on the proposed National Patient Safety Board
The Economist’s reporting on today’s healthcare system challenges around the world
Jamie’s book recommendation Ikigai
Mark’s future read: If I Betray These Words: Moral Injury in Medicine and Why It's So Hard for Clinicians to Put Patients First 
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Thursday Dec 22, 2022

Mark Graban & Jamie Flinchbaugh
Alternative title: “I’ll have a half-caff no-whip soy-milk chestnut praline latte… to-go”
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In Episode 37, we wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays with some new (to us) holiday cocktails.
Mark tries the Bourbon Flip, and Jamie makes a Hot Buttered Bourbon. Neither will likely be in our regular rotation of cocktails, but they suit the “spirit” of the holiday season and might be a nice treat to make for guests. 
Your hosts explore the possible reinvention of Starbucks, which began with the return of CEO Howard Schultz. The stores have faced numerous pressures…increasing volume, increasing complexity, and growing barista dissatisfaction. Can these challenges be overcome by lean applied at the store level, or are more structural changes and innovations needed to get the job done? We explore a recent Wall Street Journal article about Starbucks' transformation and walk back to the beginnings of their lean journey over 10 years ago. Some of the problem statements examined: SKU proliferation, new blenders, and store layouts. We may start seeing a brand new layout for Starbucks stores, although the promised improves do not appear to be imminent. 
The hosts finish by exploring gift giving in the whiskey, and wine, genre, including a book recommendation from Mark on the history of the prohibition era in the US. 
Links From the Show:
Ted Stiles from Stiles Associates
David Meier's Glenn's Creek Distilling
Toyota's Georgetown, Kentucky plant
Four Roses' hot buttered bourbon recipe
Used Mellow Corn Bottled in Bond for hot buttered bourbon
Bourbon Flip recipe
Made with Benchmark Bonded bourbon
Mark's 2nd pour, a Bruichladdich Port Charlotte 10 Heavily Peated 
WSJ article Starbucks is Rethinking Almost Everything 
WSJ wrote about lean at Starbucks in 2009, and the same year, John Shook wrote about it for LEI
Starbucks' 3-day strike
LEI's 2020 book about lean at Starbucks, Steady Work
Book on the history of prohibition: Last Call
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Friday Dec 09, 2022

In Episode 36, Jamie Flinchbaugh is joined by Chris Kauzmann, an Adjunct Faculty and Innovator in Residence at Lehigh University. Chris, a self-described “bottom shelf” whiskey drinker, joins Jamie to sample some Nikka Coffee Malt Whiskey and Blue Run High Rye Bourbon. 
We explore design thinking, which is both distinct from lean but also inherently consistent. The terminology is often quite different, but the essence of the work is very similar. Removing our biases and gaining insight through genuine exploration, whether to develop a business idea or improve a process or anything else, is one such example. Along the way, we cover many aspects of our shared experiences…the student entrepreneurs of Lehigh University that Chris supports and teaches full time and Jamie occasionally shows up to make a contribution. 
We close by deciding which building on Lehigh University's beautiful campus we would most want to convert into a whiskey bar, although we are quite certain that no one will allow us to do this.
Links From the Show:
Chris Kauzmann on LinkedIn
Old Crow, a typical selection for Chris
Nikka Coffey Malt Whiskey
Blue Run High Rye Bourbon
Lehigh University's Baker Institute  
Giana Jarrah's With Meraki Co, a student-founded startup
Sam Benchaghib's Make A Change World and Sungai Watch
Practicing Lean by Mark Graban 
Podcast feed at LeanWhiskey.com or leanblog.org/leanwhiskey or jflinch.com/leanwhiskey

Friday Oct 14, 2022

In Episode 35, Mark is recently back from his Scotland gemba visit. He isn't tired from jet lag, or from whiskey, but nevertheless, Mark and Jamie both end up complaining about being tired. Maybe we're just…old (gasp). We also didn't plan our color coordination (for those on video).
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"We’re tired, but not tired of whisky. A gemba walk will pick us up..."
We focus this episode on going to the gemba in the making of scotch whisky, from Mark's recent trip. We talk about what is learned by going to the gemba, both in general and specific to whisky. You can hear more about peat, malting, distilling, and maturing, including is maturing inventory or a value-adding step? 
Of course, we also select scotch as our whisky of choice, opting for more obscure selections that you may not have heard of. Both were excellent. 
We also spend a little time talking about work retreats, whether it be for writing a book as both Mark and Jamie do, strategic thinking as Bill Gates would do, or just simply reflection and planning. We conclude by discussing what job at a distiller we would most like to do, although neither of us likely has the requisite skills. Slainte!
Links From the Show:
Jamie at the National Association of Corporate Directors Summit
Mark heading soon to the Association of Manufacturing Excellence and the Iowa Lean Consortium conferences. Look for him!
GE's Larry Culp's message. 
Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, Admiral Stavridis at NACD
Jamie's whisky selection Kilchoman
Mark's whisky selection Glen Scotia
Where are Islay, Jura, Campeltown?
Ron Swanson's visit to Lagavullin
Journeyman in western Michigan, Two James in Detroit, and Traverse City Whiskey up north
The Multnomah Whiskey Library in Portland
Jamie's post: how to do an effective personal work retreat

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